hola a todos :

soy uno más que ha llegado a este terreno ; Como toda apuesta con sus riegos , todavía no las tengo todas conmigo. Me preocupan algunos temas :

a) existe alguna manera de comprar de forma anónima ( ya sea en españa o fuera de ella ). Es que desde el momento en que aparece tu nombre por ahí , ya luego nunca se sabe quién manipula esos listados

b) me empieza a tentar goldmoney , pero tengo el inglés un poco olvidado . ¿ cómo se puede recuperar el oro comprado :
en oro físico o en cash en tu cuenta bancaria ?

c) cómo se trata fiscalente el oro o su inversión a nivel de impuestos ( no iva , renta ,patrimonio ,etc ) ?

d) ¿ qué opináis del margen de recorrido del platino o plata frente a la cresta en que se encuentra el oro actualmente ?


GRACIAS

Gracias a todos .


Por si os sirve ( mgs ) , el otro día en 5 minutos me compulsaron la fotocopia del dni en una oficina de la policía ( DNI ) .
Por otro lado sigo estudiando goldmoney , bullionvault y buscará alguno más.

He leído en uno foro giri que en eurogold no piden identificación . Sabéis algo ? hasta que cantidad ?

Sigo interesado en los impuestos .

GRACIAS POR TODO .

Why should iGolder be successful while so many others failed?

Over the past decade, there has been countless failures in the payment industry. The following are simply our opinions why we think the following payment systems encountered problems:

* e-Gold. Technically e-gold is a Nevis corporation in the Caribbean, however e-gold Ltd. operated their business from the United States. The main office of e-gold Ltd and OmniPay was and still is located in Melborne, Florida and their servers are in Florida hence, they operated in US jurisdiction subject to US financial regulations. Technically and legally correct, even if the entire financial operation was located in Europe, if there are any US customers (even one), the company is 100% subject to the State required money transmitter licensing in that customer's state and federal Patriot Act FinCEN registration. There were many scams, including HYIPs, using e-gold. The success of e-gold and OmniPay drew attention to the bureaucrats, probably with a combination of numerous scams, their reporting to the IRS via the 8300 Form and their online statistics . The government prosecutors forced e-gold to sell the bullion behind 58 seized accounts and turn the funds over to the government. Now, e-gold can't do business in any State they don't yet have a money transmitting license. By contrast, iGolder is not a US corporation, our servers are located outside the US, and we do not deal with any money to avoid being subject to the financial regulations. Keeping fraud at bay is out top priority, therefore not raising the awareness of our presence to the government. For privacy, have also chosen a jurisdiction friendly to gold ownership and without any requirement to disclose our gold holdings.
* e-Bullion. After receiving numerous complaints, e-Bullion has got an "F" rating by the Better Business Bureau. Whatever such bad rating was a setup by competitors, or a genuine non-existent customer service is unknown, however we know such a bad rating is not good for business. e-bullion for many years allowed wide use of the digital gold by HYIP online investment Ponzi schemes and this brought the attention of several government investigations as far back as in 2003. Since e-bullion processed transactions though Goldfinger in house, there was a very small separation between the e-bullion operation and Goldfinger Coin & Bullion sales. e-bullion used Goldfinger bank accounts. The government's attention arose from massive wire transfers from Ponzi schemes into Goldfinger for the purchase of e-bullion. James Fayed was taken into federal custody on a charge of operating an unlicensed money transactions and is now charged in connection with his wife's murder. The murder of Pamela Fayed did not helped, especially after the FBI seized the assets (gold bars and cash reserves), leaving the e-Bullion insolvent. This money transmitting law is the same charge that e-gold received, Crowne Gold received, NetPay.tv battled etc. Even PayPal way back in 2003 just before their IPO, the government requested they get a money transmitting license for at least one state (Lousiana) before going public because they had a few scattered clients in Lousiana. Again, iGolder is not in the US and does not handle any money and we are not operating in the US jurisdiction. Therefore the US financial regulations not apply to iGolder in any way. Our excellence in our customer service will make sure we never receive an "F" rating.
* Crowne Gold. Crowne voluntarily closed in July 2008, mainly based on the fact that they could no longer get a US bank account or financial processing in the US, because of the nature of the digital gold business at that time. Their US bank closed them out (not seized, just booted them) and they could not get another. One thing we know is they have been harassed a lot by the government. Crowne Gold fought the IRS allegation of being a tax evasion scheme and won, they fought the US Federal governments allegation of being an illegal money transmitter, and succeeded. The IRS seized gold and silver in 2002 from Crowne Gold, then again in 2005 they seized another two bank accounts in their alleged claims. We have great admiration for the courageous people at Crowne Gold for not folding or fleeing in front of the Government. At iGolder, we do not have any bank account, therefore no US bank cannot boot us out. To ensure robustness and viability of our network, we rely on our independent exchange providers to buy and sell iGolder. This way, if one exchanger goes away, or has its bank account closed, there are plenty others to pick up the slack.
* Liberty Dollar. The Liberty Dollar is real, private currency that you can use instead of your familiar US dollars. You can spend Liberty Dollars just like U.S. dollars. We applaud the bravery of Bernard von NotHaus for creating the Liberty Dollar, however we believe such private currency may bring legal trouble down the road. On November 15, 2007, the office in Evansville, Indiana, and Mint in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, which produced the Liberty Dollar was raided. The US has laws against producing coinage and was now calling Bernard's decade old creation 'coins'. On that day, the FBI Secret Service took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze their bank accounts. At iGolder, we do not call your grams of gold Dollars and we are not trying to compete against the Federal Reserve. We prefer to keep a lower profile and not have the Federal Government as our enemy.
* 1MDC. The payment system 1MDC was too good to be true. 1MDC had no transfer fees and no storage fees, despite being backed by e-gold which had transfer fees and storage fees. Instead of charging storage fees, 1MDC was instead paying special bonuses on large balances, up to 2.5% interest per year. Also, 1MDC claimed to be a true offshore corporation, yet backed by e-gold, an entirely US-based company, owned and operated by US citizens, under the decisions of US courts. Because 1MDC had no transfer fees, this type of payment system was the ideal conduit for pyramidal schemes. In our opinion, 1MDC was heavily involved in scams, mostly HYIPs. On April 27, 2007, US government ordered e-gold to freeze and liquidate all 1MDC accounts, 1MDC became insolvent by default along with all other e-gold accounts seized. At iGolder, we do not use a third party payment system to back our gold holdings, and our strong policy against fraud will help us stay away from legal trouble.
* OSGold. According to their website in 2001, OSGold was a completely Offshore International Gold Storage and Payment System. OSGold was offering monthly investment returns ranging from 30% to 45%. It is amazing how many people got fooled by this investment scam. According to a federal judge, OSGold bilked investors out of more than $250 millions.
* AlterGold. The payment system AlterGold was operated by people involved in HYIP. Although the payment system was not a HYIP, the operators/founders of AlterGold were crooks (see articles here and here). If you do business with crooks, be prepared to get scammed one day. Feel free to run an investigation about of iGolder and its founders. You will discover we have never been involved in HYIP, gambling or any kind of fraud.
* There are many other investment programs and online payment systems we believe are scams. We are not disclosing their names because we fear litigation. Spending our time in courts will not help us to improve iGolder and add new features.

Nuevo sistema... intenta resolver problemas que aquejaban a anteriores sistemas de pago electrónico con oro...

iGolder



...no lo conocía, de momento no lo recomiendo pero lo investigaré... una de las cosas buenas que tiene es que integra un sistema de reputación para todos los usuarios...